Does the cycling rate of a automatic pistol assist the average Joe/Jane in their ability to defend themselves?
My buddy was watching “Lock & Load” on cable TV and they were discussing pistols. It showed in slow motion the 1911 pistol and the Beretta firing at the same time. The Beretta cycled so fast, the 1911 wasn’t even fully back yet. So, for home defense, does cycling matter that much? Does it really matter that much with LOE or military engagements?
Doesn’t matter.
No it doesn’t matter. No one can accurately place their shots as fast as the slowest pistol cycles.
Proper shot placement is better than spray and pray…….the concept of the AK47.
Most people can’t even keep up with a 1911 cycle. It happens in about a second, so no it wouldn’t help the average Joe/Jane.
most people cannot work the trigger fast enough to reach the actual cyclic rate of there pistol there is a lot of technique involved in the reset of the trigger to shoot faster as for accuracy many pro shooters run their’s at wide open and still hit the mark but unless your name is Jerry Miculek its not going to pay off and definitely not in a combat situation where you may be faced with multiple threats so only shoot as fast as you can accurately because if your alone suppressive fire is not going to be use full
Not really. Either way the slide will reset before you pull the trigger again. I would suspect that you saw the beretta 92 which was the 1911′s replacement.
Spray and pray is not a good method of defense. So no, it doesn’t matter.
No. It’s well past cycling by the time John Doe or Jane Roe, or just about anybody else, gets back on target, anyway. Practice matters a lot more, since there are people who can empty a single-action revolver faster than most folks can get off their second shot with a semi-auto pistol.
* No not really.* Don’t count your shots, make your shots count.*
Nope.
1. If you had the pistols in your hand nd fired them,
you couldn’t tell the difference in cycle time.
2. In any combat cartridge pistol, ‘reaquire the target after recoil’
takes so very much longer, that recycle time, is not a factor.
Regardless of what you use be it revolver, pistol, or shotgun the cyclic rate is unimportant. Hitting the target is what is important. If you can fire 1000 rpm and can’t hit, you are wasting your time.
Jack,
A pistol firing at full cycle rate continues to climb until you’re pointing at the sky. So unless you got them with the first shot, you’re out of luck.
The only real advantages to the 9mm Beretta is that it’s low recoil allows it to come back on target faster than the 1911 in .45 Caliber, which is what the film was really showing you. Combined with normal rates of fire the Beretta wins hands down for shooting quicker and coming back on target quicker.
The history of the automatic pistol is not very successful and does sort of amount to spray and pray, unless you use it in single shot mode, which defeats the need for the auto. The only way to control automatic pistol ammunition in full auto is to use a firing platform that has a shoulder stock.
Only if you can fire as fast as the cycle allows. If you can fire as fast as a (assumably) m9 beretta will physically allow, then yeah, you may be put as disadvantage with the 1911… But no one, I repeat, no one, even with bumpfiring, even with an akins accellerator, can do it.
So it doesn’t affect anyone, not civilians, not police, not military.